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EPISODES
Burnout and stress is TOO LATE for teacher wellbeing - Sarah Mercer
Education is designed around focusing on the learner first and the teacher as a medium to support the learner. Sarah Mercer tells us why this leads to unhealthy teachers.
Sarah Mercer is a Professor of foreign language teaching at the University of Graz, Austria.
In this episode, Sarah expounds on:
why connecting with learners is fundamental
cell phone addiction and what we CAN'T do about it
re-framing what "student-led" means
defining "engagement" and pedagogical caring
students faking engagement out of respect for their teacher
burnout and stress are the result of the systemic element of teacher well-being
The Communicative Approach is a DISASTER - Dr. Enrica Piccardo
ELT is full of disasters, including the destruction of the communicative approach. In this episode, Dr. Enrica Piccardo tells us why.
Dr. Piccardo is a Professor of Applied Linguistics and Language Education at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, University of Toronto. Her research spans language teaching approaches/curricula, multi/plurilingualism, creativity and complexity in language education.
In this episode, Dr. Piccardo discusses:
leveraging the messiness of learning
how Headway destroyed the communicative approach
multiple disasters in ELT: the separation of languages, the native speaker model, organization curriculum around grammar, and others
how we're still teaching in a grammatical way because it's easier
what mediation is, its role in learning, and its 3 types
updating the CEFR to include mediation
the link between mediation and plurilingualism
the action-oriented approach and its benefits
why teachers need to delegate learning
Teachers have TWO options: Earn more or leave ELT
What do toad venom, the 5 stages of grief, and precarity all have in common? Andrew, Leo, and Mike explain.
In this episode, we discuss strategies to earn more by creating your own offer. Specifically, we dive into:
the 5 stages of grief pertaining to precarity
two paths teachers have: stay in ELT or move on
why earning more money is a requisite to stay in the industry
how to create a compelling offer that will actually sell
why focusing on lesson frequency is restricting
not creating solutions to problems no one cares about
toad venom and how you can apply it to your teaching business
ELT has the WRONG input: Learners can't understand REAL people - Sheila Thorn
ELT provides the wrong input: language as it should be spoken not as it is spoken. This is wrong and Sheila Thorn gives us another way. Sheila is a renowned teacher, trainer, and materials writer. She also founded The Listening Business in 1998.
In this episode, Sheila discusses:
ELT having the wrong input
coursebooks as impoverished language
learners being scared of real language
how teacher training fails teachers as much as coursebooks fail students
the 5 listening goals every learner should have
a 3-pronged approach to teaching listening
the problem she is trying to solve in ELT
Grammar is in the BRAIN, not on a piece of paper - Tania Ionin & Silvina Montrul
Grammar instruction or grammar learning? We dive into this with today's guests, Silvina Montrul and Tania Ionin.
In this episode, they discuss:
grammatical knowledge in the context of language acquisition
what intervention research is
why we expect too much of adult learners
how instruction contributes or doesn't contribute to grammar acquisition
efficacious conditions for grammar instruction
how educators can influence the learning of grammar
why studying monolinguals helps to understand L2 acquisition
literate vs illiterate native speakers for a study on grammatical knowledge
We CANNOT and DO NOT Control What Students Learn - Bill VanPatten
So many teachers focus on teaching when they should focus on something else. In this episode, we dive into this with the great Bill VanPatten. Bill VanPatten is an award-winning scholar and teacher with an international reputation in the fields of second language acquisition and second language teaching.
We chat with Bill about why:
the majority of teaching is not in accordance with SLA research
Krashen was right
Krashen's theories are not used in language education
teachers need to get rid of the "Atlas Complex"
most people don't understand what a communicative classroom means
grammar rules are not psychologically real
many researchers don't want to talk to teachers
understanding how non-college educated L1 speakers process language shows explicit instruction's ineffectiveness
if learners can do your assignments using AI, the assignment is flawed
The traditional pronunciation model EXCLUDES virtually every teacher - Robin Walker & Gemma Archer
So many teachers feel they can't teach pronunciation if their speech doesn't sound a certain way. Listen to this episode to discover why that isn't true.
Robin Walker and Gemma Archer are pronunciation specialists who co-authored "Teaching English Pronunciation for a Global World," which aims to encourage pronunciation instruction from a lingua franca and intelligibility perspective.
We chat with Robin & Gemma about:
intelligibility, comprehensibility, and accentedness
why the Lingua Franca Core is what teachers should learn
their disdain for Jennifer Jenkins' criticism of them - before realizing she was right
how intelligibility is the thing that allows pronunciation to do its job
weak forms and why they're not necessary for intelligibility
why the goal of international intelligibility doesn't exclude other goals
how to measure intelligibility & use Linca Franca Core diagnostics with your students
TBLT isn't a fad & this is why NOT using it is holding you back - Lara Bryfonski
Lara Bryfonski is an applied linguist and assistant professor of linguistics at Georgetown University. She recently co-authored the book The Art and Science of Language Teaching with Alison Mackey.
In this episode, Lara dives into:
if "TBLT" is a fad
the myth that novice teachers can't handle TBLT
why experienced teachers are often the most resistant to try it
using a TBL approach within a strict syllabus
where grammar instruction fits into a TBL approach
what a task is and isn't
navigating a learner's internal syllabus
task design and how to apply it in your courses tomorrow
Twitch, gaming, and asynchronous TBLT
her advice for aspiring TBLT practitioners
Donna Brinton on Content-based Instruction (CBI)
Donna M. Brinton is a methodologist, trainer, author, and distinguished figure in applied linguistics. A key aspect of Donna's work is her advocacy for Content-Based Instruction (CBI).
In this conversation, Donna expounds on:
her beginnings as a teacher & her struggles with methodology
why she decided to focus on methods as a point of emphasis
content-based instruction and how it impacts language learning
developing and using a CBI syllabus
the 6 "t's" framework & the 3 CBI prototypes
CBI case studies around the world
the problem with minimal pairs and what can be done instead
the future of methodology & teacher development
2023 Wrapped: Making Next Year an Authentic One
Leo, Mike, and Andrew grab some nog, get in the holiday spirit, and chat about authenticity - Merriam-Webster's word of the year for 2023. We delve into what the word means to us and how we and anyone building a business can bring as much authenticity as possible into 2024.
Specifically, we dive into:
our process and struggles with niching down
why the response "teachers will love that" to our first offer was a bad answer
the "do one thing" philosophy to business growth
how you can develop sustainable practices in your business in 2024
Cecilia Nobre on Using Video for Teacher Development
Cecilia Nobre is a PhD candidate, teacher, trainer, and author. She has been an EFL teacher for over 20 years, and is a trainer on DipTESOL, CertTESOL, and Celta trainer. She recently co-authored the book "Using Video to Support Teacher Reflection and Development in ELT" with Steve Mann and Laura Baecher.
In this episode, Cecilia touches on:
video-based observation as a form of development
how videos can foster more critical reflection
using video recordings in both the physical and digital classroom
why every teacher should record their own lessons - and then watch them
how video observation can be incorporated into pre-service training courses
why video observation reduces the hierarchical relationship of traditional observation and how it can foster community building
advice for new educators just getting started
Geoff Jordan on ELT Now and How It Could Be
Geoff Jordan is a teacher, trainer, academic, and author. Geoff has a Ph.D. in Second Language Acquisition, has worked at ESADE, Barcelona for 28 years, and recently co-authored a book with the late Mike Long called "ELT Now and How It Could Be."His main academic interests are: theories of SLA, psycholinguistics, teaching practice and computational linguistics.
Specifically, Geoff touches on:
his beginnings in the ELT industry
working alongside Mike Long, Peter Skehan and Henry Widdowson in the early days
his new book "ELT Now and How It Could Be," co-written with the late Mike Long
how commercialization has hurt the language industry
why students should be angry after 300 hours of study when they still can't "go to the pub in London"
why task-based learning is the only way to go
why "presenting" language is inefficacious
how the future of the industry is in niche courses
advising students to be more resourceful in their learning
listener questions
Paul Nation on How Languages are Learned
Paul Nation is an Emeritus Professor of Applied Linguistics and renowned researcher and author in our industry. He joins us for a discussion on learning, putting research into practice, and - of course - the four strands 27 years later.
Paul touches specifically on:
his vocabulary niche
the birth of the four strands
how it's a basis for course construction, not lesson design
how he learned Greek on a 2 hour flight
why teachers who do extensive reading are brave
why teachers need to believe that by not teaching, people can learn
the only 3 things that matter in learning
if there is a fifth strand
Dogme Days of Summer
Andrew, Mike, and Leo sit down and ponder Dogme....as a new approach? It certainly has experienced a resurgence since the pandemic and we are curious why that is.
We also dive into:
the role of the teacher
the shift away from planning & towards reacting
what authentic communication actually means
how teachers can model lifelong learning habits
using Dogme in your business and using the less is more philosophy
Dylan Gates on Dogme and the RDS Method
Dylan was born just outside London and has been working in the ELT sector for nearly 25 years. About 12 years ago, he discovered Dogme, or as he prefers to call it “Teaching Unplugged.”
In this episode, he shines a light on:
how freelancing led him to Dogme
why he includes reactive teaching in his tool kit for the modern teacher
the RDS method for dealing with emergent language
key considerations for designing materials with a reactive mindset
the future of ELT, AI, and how teachers can innovate
Nicola Prentis on Investing in your Future Self
Nicola has been in ELT for over 20 years as a teacher, materials writer, and entrepreneur. Her interest in investing came about almost by accident when she began looking at her own woeful finances and she now supplements her income through investing and runs a course for beginner investors at The Chilled Investor.
In this episode, Nicola dives into:
how her childhood impacts her relationship with money
why many teachers sweep finances under the rug
what investing is and what it isn't
demystifying limiting beliefs about investing
why it's never too late
how "desperation is the mother of research, self study, and self improvement"
why precarity in our industry is more reason to invest in yourself, not less
Ken Lackman on the Lexical Approach
Ken has been in ELT since 1995. A teacher, trainer, and author, he has written or co-written over 20 books, including the recently published Connections 3 coursebook with Pearson.
In this episode, he dives into the lexical approach, why it never caught on and how teachers can use it in their teaching.
Specifically, we dive into:
how ELT has evolved
why Michael Lewis was "pissed"
Dogme ELT & its place
how teachers can decide which vocabulary to focus on in Dogme /TBLT
his CAT framework for Dogme
the post/no methodology era
students making "great mistakes"
the Lexical Approach
the future of ELT and AI
Teacherpreneur Challenges & Tackling Irrational Fears
Leo, Mike and Andrew return to the studio to discuss the most common challenges teacherpreneurs face. They get into the three hats that a teacherpreneur needs and how to build up each one.
Specifically, they talk about:
balancing the teacher, creator, and entrepreneur in you
teaching being the only profession where we feel guilty about earning more money
why a lack of goal clarity means you won't move forward
perfectionism as an irrational fear
niching and eliminating competition
creating equity in your business
a system to charge more
Lessons Learned in 2022
Leo, Mike, and Leo hop in the studio to record their annual year-end audit. Here, they reflect on the lessons they learned in 2022. They run through seven specific lessons that drive success, failure, and resilience.
Specifically, they discuss these concepts:
1. It always takes longer than you think it's going to take
2. Behind mountains are more mountains
3. Know what success looks like
4. Start small
5. Getting over the case of the "What ifs"
Danny Norrington-Davies & Richard Chinn on Emergent Language
Danny Norrington Davies and Richard Chinn have done extensive research on emergent language and have co-authored "Working with emergent language."
In this episode, Danny & Richard discuss:
the rise of emergent language
why many were resistant to the idea
the imbalance between research on error correction versus emergent language use
incidents that prevent language from emerging
the connections between emergent language and task-based learning
how teachers can develop their "emergent language muscle"
why the student's agenda supersedes the teacher's
how teachers can utilize emergent language even with beginners
why they decided to write a book on emergent language
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Teaching Talking Time is an English Language podcast aimed at teaching professionals and learners. Leo, Mike, and Andrew bring you discussions, interviews, and debates on English language training and learning. From approaches, misconceptions, and successful and failed case studies, each episode is dedicated to their vision: continual growth. They interview teachers and learners from around the world, and also debate the merits of common teaching approaches.
We release two episodes a month: one for teachers and one for students.